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moderated Mick Farrant

paulbraithwaite
 

I don't know moyelbushra but I'm with Mick Farrant on this.  
His polite post suggested that we cyclist will not win support if we make selfish strident demands such as replacement of a parking space with a dedicated cargo bike space "right outside their home".

Being rude to a 78 year-old lifelong cyclist was unwarranted.

Regards,

Paul Braithwaite


On Monday, September 13, 2021, 12:48:30 PM GMT+1, Mick Farrant via groups.io <mirog@...> wrote:


Fact: I have cycled in London almost every day since 1976 when I was 34 and been a member of CCC for many years. I am by no means anti cycling but think I have a right to make my views known .I have never posted anything about cycling on Next Door. If you as a member of CC have the support of this organisation I will cancel my membership immediately.

 

 

 

From: main@camdencyclists.groups.io <main@camdencyclists.groups.io> On Behalf Of moyelbushra via groups.io
Sent: 13 September 2021 11:39
To: main@camdencyclists.groups.io
Subject: Re: [camdencyclists] Cargo Bike news

 

Sorry, Mike, but I am calling you out as, very clearly, an out & out troll. All you are doing is spouting the exact same anti-cyclist trash you see on NextDoor all the time. They all begin with "I've been a cyclist for xxx number of years" (meaning I learnt to ride a bike when I was 7 & have never done so in my adult life since), they then invariably go on to "yes, of course we want to save the planet, but what about all the disabled people etc who really 'need' a car?" (what percentage of people might that actually be, I wonder), before the inevitable "I nearly got / saw someone nearly getting, run over by some rabid cyclists jumping lights / cycling on the pavement". It's exactly the same nonsense. This is meant to be a forum for people who are interested in actively campaigning FOR cycling. All you are interested in is sowing disharmony, arguing with people, & pushing your anti-cycling claptrap. MODERATORS!!! 


moderated Re: Cargo Bike news

Mick Farrant
 

Fact: I have cycled in London almost every day since 1976 when I was 34 and been a member of CCC for many years. I am by no means anti cycling but think I have a right to make my views known .I have never posted anything about cycling on Next Door. If you as a member of CC have the support of this organisation I will cancel my membership immediately.

 

 

 

From: main@camdencyclists.groups.io <main@camdencyclists.groups.io> On Behalf Of moyelbushra via groups.io
Sent: 13 September 2021 11:39
To: main@camdencyclists.groups.io
Subject: Re: [camdencyclists] Cargo Bike news

 

Sorry, Mike, but I am calling you out as, very clearly, an out & out troll. All you are doing is spouting the exact same anti-cyclist trash you see on NextDoor all the time. They all begin with "I've been a cyclist for xxx number of years" (meaning I learnt to ride a bike when I was 7 & have never done so in my adult life since), they then invariably go on to "yes, of course we want to save the planet, but what about all the disabled people etc who really 'need' a car?" (what percentage of people might that actually be, I wonder), before the inevitable "I nearly got / saw someone nearly getting, run over by some rabid cyclists jumping lights / cycling on the pavement". It's exactly the same nonsense. This is meant to be a forum for people who are interested in actively campaigning FOR cycling. All you are interested in is sowing disharmony, arguing with people, & pushing your anti-cycling claptrap. MODERATORS!!! 


moderated Re: Cargo Bike news

Elena Moynihan
 

I think, as we are talking about public space, nobody has any rights to it, and certainly nobody can demand anything.

All we can do is ask to readdress the imbalance of current use, which seems to be skewed towards car ownership, towards more green transport options ( walking, cycling etc).

As somebody clever once said, you cannot please all the people all the time ;-)


On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 08:48, Mick Farrant via groups.io <mirog=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

As I left my gate yesterday pushing my bicycle I was very nearly smashed down by two cyclists speeding on the pavement. Should I “demand” that all cyclists have number plates that I can record in future such events and report to the police and prosecuted  The majority of cyclists are responsible. As a person with increasing disabilities I am more and more aware of how our needs are ignored, mobility is a major one with road closures causing even more. We need an over-all policy not just one group “demanding” its “rights”.

 

From: main@camdencyclists.groups.io <main@camdencyclists.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Ackers
Sent: 12 September 2021 12:28
To: main@camdencyclists.groups.io
Subject: Re: [camdencyclists] Cargo Bike news

 

I don't see any conflict between a 'demand that 1 car parking space, right outside their home, is turned into a cargo bike parking space' and recognising that 'not everybody can use a bicycle and some need a car, especially those with disabilities and care[r]s'.

 

The majority of car owners are healthy and fit, and don't necessarily have young children.  It's we/they that should be parking our/their cars in 'open, derelict places' if there's no room on our/their own street.

 

John

 

On 12/09/2021 11:53, Mick Farrant via groups.io wrote:

 

 As  a cyclist in London for 45 years I do not think the approach of “demanding” below is likely to win us much support. I am in total agreement that we must reduce vehicle pollution but not everybody can use a bicycle and some need a car, especially those with disabilities and cares . Our family are on.There are plenty of open, derelict places in the Borough for bike racks. Surely the “policy” should be to persuade vehicle owners of the errors of their ways not to antagonize them

 

From: main@camdencyclists.groups.io <main@camdencyclists.groups.io> On Behalf Of moyelbushra via groups.io
Sent: 11 September 2021 13:16
To: main@camdencyclists.groups.io
Subject: Re: [camdencyclists] Cargo Bike news

 

I'm not sure those metal shelter things are the answer - from what I've read bikes get nicked from them all the time. And they'd have to be way bigger than what they are, to be able to get cargo bikes in them. I'd be happy with a normal upside down "U" shaped thing that you have in your typical bike parking places. But on a designated parking spot, actually on my street - i.e. take out 1 car parking space, & replace it with a cargo bike parking space. In fact, I think that should be the policy - as soon as someone buys a cargo bike, they are entitled to demand that 1 car parking space, right outside their home, is turned into a cargo bike parking space.... :-)

 


moderated Re: Cargo Bike news

Mick Farrant
 

As I left my gate yesterday pushing my bicycle I was very nearly smashed down by two cyclists speeding on the pavement. Should I “demand” that all cyclists have number plates that I can record in future such events and report to the police and prosecuted  The majority of cyclists are responsible. As a person with increasing disabilities I am more and more aware of how our needs are ignored, mobility is a major one with road closures causing even more. We need an over-all policy not just one group “demanding” its “rights”.

 

From: main@camdencyclists.groups.io <main@camdencyclists.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Ackers
Sent: 12 September 2021 12:28
To: main@camdencyclists.groups.io
Subject: Re: [camdencyclists] Cargo Bike news

 

I don't see any conflict between a 'demand that 1 car parking space, right outside their home, is turned into a cargo bike parking space' and recognising that 'not everybody can use a bicycle and some need a car, especially those with disabilities and care[r]s'.

 

The majority of car owners are healthy and fit, and don't necessarily have young children.  It's we/they that should be parking our/their cars in 'open, derelict places' if there's no room on our/their own street.

 

John

 

On 12/09/2021 11:53, Mick Farrant via groups.io wrote:

 

 As  a cyclist in London for 45 years I do not think the approach of “demanding” below is likely to win us much support. I am in total agreement that we must reduce vehicle pollution but not everybody can use a bicycle and some need a car, especially those with disabilities and cares . Our family are on.There are plenty of open, derelict places in the Borough for bike racks. Surely the “policy” should be to persuade vehicle owners of the errors of their ways not to antagonize them

 

From: main@camdencyclists.groups.io <main@camdencyclists.groups.io> On Behalf Of moyelbushra via groups.io
Sent: 11 September 2021 13:16
To: main@camdencyclists.groups.io
Subject: Re: [camdencyclists] Cargo Bike news

 

I'm not sure those metal shelter things are the answer - from what I've read bikes get nicked from them all the time. And they'd have to be way bigger than what they are, to be able to get cargo bikes in them. I'd be happy with a normal upside down "U" shaped thing that you have in your typical bike parking places. But on a designated parking spot, actually on my street - i.e. take out 1 car parking space, & replace it with a cargo bike parking space. In fact, I think that should be the policy - as soon as someone buys a cargo bike, they are entitled to demand that 1 car parking space, right outside their home, is turned into a cargo bike parking space.... :-)

 


moderated Re: Cargo Bike news

John Ackers
 

I don't see any conflict between a 'demand that 1 car parking space, right outside their home, is turned into a cargo bike parking space' and recognising that 'not everybody can use a bicycle and some need a car, especially those with disabilities and care[r]s'.

The majority of car owners are healthy and fit, and don't necessarily have young children.  It's we/they that should be parking our/their cars in 'open, derelict places' if there's no room on our/their own street.

John

On 12/09/2021 11:53, Mick Farrant via groups.io wrote:

 

 As  a cyclist in London for 45 years I do not think the approach of “demanding” below is likely to win us much support. I am in total agreement that we must reduce vehicle pollution but not everybody can use a bicycle and some need a car, especially those with disabilities and cares . Our family are on.There are plenty of open, derelict places in the Borough for bike racks. Surely the “policy” should be to persuade vehicle owners of the errors of their ways not to antagonize them

 

From: main@camdencyclists.groups.io <main@camdencyclists.groups.io> On Behalf Of moyelbushra via groups.io
Sent: 11 September 2021 13:16
To: main@camdencyclists.groups.io
Subject: Re: [camdencyclists] Cargo Bike news

 

I'm not sure those metal shelter things are the answer - from what I've read bikes get nicked from them all the time. And they'd have to be way bigger than what they are, to be able to get cargo bikes in them. I'd be happy with a normal upside down "U" shaped thing that you have in your typical bike parking places. But on a designated parking spot, actually on my street - i.e. take out 1 car parking space, & replace it with a cargo bike parking space. In fact, I think that should be the policy - as soon as someone buys a cargo bike, they are entitled to demand that 1 car parking space, right outside their home, is turned into a cargo bike parking space.... :-)



moderated Re: Cargo Bike news

Mick Farrant
 

 

 

As  a cyclist in London for 45 years I do not think the approach of “demanding” below is likely to win us much support. I am in total agreement that we must reduce vehicle pollution but not everybody can use a bicycle and some need a car, especially those with disabilities and cares . Our family are on.There are plenty of open, derelict places in the Borough for bike racks. Surely the “policy” should be to persuade vehicle owners of the errors of their ways not to antagonize them

 

From: main@camdencyclists.groups.io <main@camdencyclists.groups.io> On Behalf Of moyelbushra via groups.io
Sent: 11 September 2021 13:16
To: main@camdencyclists.groups.io
Subject: Re: [camdencyclists] Cargo Bike news

 

I'm not sure those metal shelter things are the answer - from what I've read bikes get nicked from them all the time. And they'd have to be way bigger than what they are, to be able to get cargo bikes in them. I'd be happy with a normal upside down "U" shaped thing that you have in your typical bike parking places. But on a designated parking spot, actually on my street - i.e. take out 1 car parking space, & replace it with a cargo bike parking space. In fact, I think that should be the policy - as soon as someone buys a cargo bike, they are entitled to demand that 1 car parking space, right outside their home, is turned into a cargo bike parking space.... :-)


Tottenham Court Road Closure

John Chamberlain
 

Just a warning that Tottenham Court Road will be closed in sections throughout next week for art work installation, being the painting of "colourful crossings". There will be diversions - best avoid it and use Gower Street if you can.

More info at https://www.camden.gov.uk/art-projects-and-programmes#fxfl and https://bit.ly/3z88rOe

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Regards

John


John Chamberlain

Coordinator

Camden Cycling Campaign

 

W: camdencyclists.org.uk

E: john@...

 


Covent Garden Consultation - Short Deadline

John Chamberlain
 

Camden and Westminster are consulting on a Traffic Management scheme in Covent Garden including the Seven Dials area.  The deadline for responses is Monday 13th; apologies for the short notice.

Many of you will know that through traffic has been excluded from the Seven Dials area in Camden during the day since July 2020. If implemented, this new proposal would keep most of those changes and add restrictions on the Westminster side of the boundary. Details are here https://coventgarden.commonplace.is/about

You can respond here https://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/CGEngagement/ . We understand that there is fairly significant opposition so please take a few minutes to do so and say you support the proposals. In our formal response we said:

  • We support the proposals but they don't go far enough
  • The whole area should be made into a proper low traffic neighbourhood by closing other rat-runs especially Great Queen Street
  • Monmouth Street should be closed to all traffic to retain its pedestrian nature.
  • All streets should be open to two-way cycling

Thanks and I hope you have a good weekend.

PS - We'll be at the Camden New Town Festival in Camden Square on Sunday. Maybe see some of you there! Details are on our website.

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Regards

John


John Chamberlain

Coordinator

Camden Cycling Campaign

 

W: camdencyclists.org.uk

E: john@...

T: +44 20 7485 2685

M: +44 788 755 2391

 


moderated Re: Cargo Bike news

Ema Arvati
 

If you want to compare I use ETA


https://www.eta.co.uk/


Ema




------ Original Message ------
From: "moyelbushra via groups.io" <moyelbushra@...>
To: main@camdencyclists.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 9 Sep, 21 At 16:27
Subject: Re: [camdencyclists] Cargo Bike news

I use Laka.

If you use my referral code (9FNCV), we both get £25 credit.

Moy


moderated Re: Cargo Bike news

Moy El-Bushra
 

I use Laka.

If you use my referral code (9FNCV), we both get £25 credit.

Moy


moderated Re: Cargo Bike news

Stefano Bertolotto
 

May I ask what theft insurance folks recommend for a cargo bike?
Thanks


moderated Re: Cargo Bike news

richendawalford
 


moderated Re: Cargo Bike news

Elena Moynihan
 

Yes, the parking is a big issue even on normal bikes. 

You might remember at our meeting a couple of months ago I mentioned the lack of metal-shelter parking in my ward - BTW the suggestion was to email the Hampstead Forum and Andrew which I did, with zero response.  Both our bikes are still in our bathroom, luckily we have two of those too :-)

I note what you say that those would be no good for e-bikes so maybe what we should request is shelters that include ground anchors so they can be used for both normal and e-bikes ?

Just as a note, up until 5 years ago I had a scooter ( Vespa ) and I tried for years to get Camden to put ground anchors for scooters and motorbikes outside the Wells - no luck whatsoever, so at least they are consistent :-)

Elena


On Wed, 8 Sept 2021 at 23:55, moyelbushra via groups.io <moyelbushra=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Well I do have an e-cargo bike, & I don't feel the charging points thing is a big issue for me, personally. But parking is one. I live in a 3rd floor flat, & the bike weighs 50 odd kilos, so bringing it in is not an option. These things are expensive, so insurance is a must. But it is always a stipulation to be locked to something solid & immovable. I was told by one insurer that they have refused claims where people have locked to ordinary street sign posts, & the sign on top was unscrewed & the bike lifted over, as that could have been foreseen. My street is tree-lined, but they are mature trees & too wide for any chain lock to get around So basically, I need a lamppost. Of which there is only 1 practicable one ever available near me as there is a yellow line by it (for others nearby the pavement is too narrow, or they have vehicles permanently parked by them). And because it's a narrow street with the kind of half on the pavement type of parking, if anyone parks by "MY" lamppost, there isn't anything else suitable close by, & I like to be able to keep an eye on it (in fact, one insurer I spoke to actually stipulated that it would have to be kept within eyesight of my flat, if kept outside). Those air raid shelter type bike lockups don't actually have a very good record for stopping thefts, are expensive, & my bike wouldn't fit in anyway, even if there was one near me, which there isn't. So if Camden would like to support the uptake of cargo bikes, the first thing I would like is the provision of dedicated cargo bike parking bays, with something very solid to lock to! The other thing is that a lot of the types of cycle lanes that are just painted on, are way too narrow for me. In fact, even on a normal bike, I don't think they're worth the bother. So cargo bike sized cycle lanes would be another request!


moderated Re: Cargo Bike news

Douglas Schwab
 

Hi
Thank you Lisa and John. Hopefully electric cars aren’t the future…

Bye for now




Douglas








On 8 Sep 2021, at 21:32, John Chamberlain <john@...> wrote:


moderated Re: Cargo Bike news

John Chamberlain
 

I had a chat with some PedalMe people this evening at the LCC dangerous junctions protest. They said that on-street charging wouldn't help them because they don't leave their cargo bikes on the street for very long. But a battery swap system would be very useful.

John

 

On 08/09/21 21:28, Lisa & Jemima wrote:

A company called 'connected to curb' does a system that is munti user and future proofed. Very keen on supporting e bikes.

Lisa

On Wed, 8 Sept 2021 at 16:19, Douglas Schwab via groups.io <dhschwab=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi

Will on street electric car charging points also be upgraded to allow charging bicycles?

I see lots of electric car charge points, but not cycle charge points. Same for those who combine car/van and cycle use, no charging points in car boots for those carrying their electric bikes with them. 

Not everyone has charging options at all points in their journey.

Bye for now




Douglas








On 8 Sep 2021, at 15:13, Steve Prowse <steve.prowse@...> wrote:

Please do share widely............

Do You Really Need A Car? | Why E Bikes Could Be The Future Of Personal Transport

https://youtu.be/3ChoeMZSwq0


Cargo bike sharing to launch in Stoke Newington, London Fields and Shoreditch

https://news.hackney.gov.uk/cargo-bike-sharing-to-launch-in-stoke-newington-london-fields-and-shoreditch/

The Business eCargo Bike Grant Fund 2021/22 is open for applications.

https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/grants-and-loans/ecargo-bike-fund/

The 2019 Camden Cycle Action Plan only says this about Cargo Bikes: 
We will conduct a comprehensive review in Phase 1 of provision of e-bike and cargo bike services and facilities and implement a range of actions (in both Phases), working with external partners and organisations, to increase uptake and use of these types of bikes in the Borough
If anyone knows of any other progress in Camden on this topic, please share. 


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Many thanks,
Lisa


moderated Re: Cargo Bike news

Lisa & Jemima
 

A company called 'connected to curb' does a system that is munti user and future proofed. Very keen on supporting e bikes.

Lisa

On Wed, 8 Sept 2021 at 16:19, Douglas Schwab via groups.io <dhschwab=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi

Will on street electric car charging points also be upgraded to allow charging bicycles?

I see lots of electric car charge points, but not cycle charge points. Same for those who combine car/van and cycle use, no charging points in car boots for those carrying their electric bikes with them. 

Not everyone has charging options at all points in their journey.

Bye for now




Douglas








On 8 Sep 2021, at 15:13, Steve Prowse <steve.prowse@...> wrote:

Please do share widely............

Do You Really Need A Car? | Why E Bikes Could Be The Future Of Personal Transport

https://youtu.be/3ChoeMZSwq0


Cargo bike sharing to launch in Stoke Newington, London Fields and Shoreditch

https://news.hackney.gov.uk/cargo-bike-sharing-to-launch-in-stoke-newington-london-fields-and-shoreditch/

The Business eCargo Bike Grant Fund 2021/22 is open for applications.

https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/grants-and-loans/ecargo-bike-fund/

The 2019 Camden Cycle Action Plan only says this about Cargo Bikes: 
We will conduct a comprehensive review in Phase 1 of provision of e-bike and cargo bike services and facilities and implement a range of actions (in both Phases), working with external partners and organisations, to increase uptake and use of these types of bikes in the Borough
If anyone knows of any other progress in Camden on this topic, please share. 



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Many thanks,
Lisa


moderated Re: Cargo Bike news

Douglas Schwab
 

Hi

Will on street electric car charging points also be upgraded to allow charging bicycles?

I see lots of electric car charge points, but not cycle charge points. Same for those who combine car/van and cycle use, no charging points in car boots for those carrying their electric bikes with them. 

Not everyone has charging options at all points in their journey.

Bye for now




Douglas








On 8 Sep 2021, at 15:13, Steve Prowse <steve.prowse@...> wrote:

Please do share widely............

Do You Really Need A Car? | Why E Bikes Could Be The Future Of Personal Transport

https://youtu.be/3ChoeMZSwq0


Cargo bike sharing to launch in Stoke Newington, London Fields and Shoreditch

https://news.hackney.gov.uk/cargo-bike-sharing-to-launch-in-stoke-newington-london-fields-and-shoreditch/

The Business eCargo Bike Grant Fund 2021/22 is open for applications.

https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/grants-and-loans/ecargo-bike-fund/

The 2019 Camden Cycle Action Plan only says this about Cargo Bikes: 
We will conduct a comprehensive review in Phase 1 of provision of e-bike and cargo bike services and facilities and implement a range of actions (in both Phases), working with external partners and organisations, to increase uptake and use of these types of bikes in the Borough
If anyone knows of any other progress in Camden on this topic, please share. 


moderated Cargo Bike news

Steve Prowse
 

Please do share widely............

Do You Really Need A Car? | Why E Bikes Could Be The Future Of Personal Transport

https://youtu.be/3ChoeMZSwq0


Cargo bike sharing to launch in Stoke Newington, London Fields and Shoreditch

https://news.hackney.gov.uk/cargo-bike-sharing-to-launch-in-stoke-newington-london-fields-and-shoreditch/

The Business eCargo Bike Grant Fund 2021/22 is open for applications.

https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/grants-and-loans/ecargo-bike-fund/

The 2019 Camden Cycle Action Plan only says this about Cargo Bikes: 
We will conduct a comprehensive review in Phase 1 of provision of e-bike and cargo bike services and facilities and implement a range of actions (in both Phases), working with external partners and organisations, to increase uptake and use of these types of bikes in the Borough
If anyone knows of any other progress in Camden on this topic, please share. 


September Newsletter: Protest with LCC - Demand Action on Dangerous Junctions

John Chamberlain
 

In case you don't receive the LCC newsletter, this one has a reminder of tomorrow's ride protesting against the lack of action on dangerous junctions like Holborn plus details of the campaigners conferences later this month.

Hope to see as many as possible tomorrow.

Regards


John

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: September Newsletter: Protest with LCC - Demand Action on Dangerous Junctions
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2021 15:30:29 +0100
From: London Cycling Campaign <membership@...>
To: Mr John Chamberlain <john@...>


Protest with LCC - demand action on London's dangerous junctions this Wednesday
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Protest ride Weds 8 Sept - experienced marshals needed

John Chamberlain
 

See request from LCC below. If you are experienced at marshalling and can help, please contact Katy Rodda (katy.rodda@...) direct. And, either way, hope to see you there.

Thanks

 

Regards

John



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Protest ride Weds 8 Sept - experienced marshals needed
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 12:28:44 +0000
From: Katy Rodda <katy.rodda@...>
To: Coordinators <coordinators@...>


Hi all, 

We need 15 marshals to help manage the Dangerous Junctions Protest ride next week. Please can you ask your members if they'd consider helping out? We do need them to have had previous experience as it's a big ride with some tricky junctions. 

Please put people in touch with me and we'll take it from there. 

Please can you also remind everyone coming on the ride in any capacity whatsoever to charge up their lights and bring them along, as we'll be hitting dusk by the end!

Best wishes 
Katy

Katy Rodda
Network Coordinator
London Cycling Campaign
201 Metropolitan Wharf, 70 Wapping Wall, London E1W 3SS
@London_Cycling

My working hours during the week of 30 Aug-3 Sept are as follows:
Monday 30 August - all day
Tuesday 31 August-Friday 3 September: mornings only

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