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Consultation on healthy school street for Kingsgate Infants School (in Maygrove Road). Deadline tomorrow. Please support

Jean Dollimore
 

Dear all,

Camden Council is consulting on providing a healthy school street for Kingsgate Infants School (in Maygrove Road). 

As this is quite a daring proposal (because Maygrove Road is a popular cut-through between West End Lane and Kilburn High Road), there may be local opposition so we’d like to drum up some support.

The consultation is here on Camden’s website (with the response form at the end):

https://consultations.wearecamden.org/supporting-communities/kingsgate/

Do please respond in favour

Thank you

Jean

Apologies for the short notice.


Tuesday 13th December at 3pm: Children, bikes, parents, buses

John Chamberlain
 

For those not subscribed to the University of Westminster talks, this looks like a really good one!

 


John Chamberlain

 

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Cycling@Tea-time: Children, bikes, parents, buses

Dear all

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/cyclingtea-time-children-bikes-parents-buses-tickets-481643607997

An earlier start than usual for Cycling@Tea-time (3pm), though still comfortably within permitted limits, if "tea" to you implies cups of splosh and cucumber sandwiches.  Anyhow, it's Christmas, as you doubtless have noticed, so sling another mince pie on the barbie and pull up a headset.

We'll be joined by two speakers who can give us an excellent insight into the intricacies of both facilitating children's cycling and cycling with children.

Jo Wright set up the Shawlands Bicycle Bus in Glasgow with her husband and it has gone from strength to strength, with over 60 children regularly taking part each Friday morning. Not only that, but the Shawlands bicycle bus "drivers" have the power to change the traffic lights at one of the junctions on their route; they reckon this is a first in the UK.  Jo will tell us about setting up the bicycle bus and how it has grown. And, as a special (Christmas) treat, she will also reveal how she can control traffic signals with her mind...

Dawn Rahman is currently a doctoral student in University of Westminster’s Active Travel Academy, prior to which she accumulated over 15 years of experience working in transport policy and road safety for a number of different organisations including local authorities, British Cycling and research institutes.  Dawn will be talking about her research into mothers who cycle with children, looking at some of the barriers they face such as the cost of bicycles and a lack of parking options, and at the types of infrastructure they prefer to use.

This one will be on-line (using Teams) but those within easy reach of Marylebone on the day might like to join some of the organisers for a coffee afterwards.

We very much hope to see you there!

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/cyclingtea-time-children-bikes-parents-buses-tickets-481643607997

Tom

Tom Cohen, Active Travel Academy, University of Westminster

Cycling@Tea-time is supported by the Active Travel Academy at the University of Westminster.
Co-ordinators: Rachel Aldred, Tom Cohen, Neil Guthrie and Dawn Rahman.

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CCC November meeting minutes

Ema Arvati
 

Hello all,


Please find below the link to the minutes of our November CCC meeting.


https://camdencyclists.org.uk/2022/12/ccc-meeting-minutes/


"Haverstock Hill & Rosslyn Hill Trial Walking, Cycling and Road Safety Scheme" has a lot of comments on common place and not all are positive so if you want to have your say please do using the link below.


https://safetravelcamden.commonplace.is/proposals/haverstock-hill-rosslyn-hill-trial-walking-cycling-and-road-safety-scheme


Ema


Re: Covent Garden

John Chamberlain
 

Definitely! Was on my list. I assume/hope that they will fix the surfaces if/when it goes permanent. But TBH, however well done, I find granite setts difficult to ride on. The tarmac patches look awful but are better!



John

 

 

 

On 30/11/22 13:05, seymour susan wrote:

Is it worth mentioning the appalling state of the surface on Monmouth St going from Shaftesbury Ave to Seven Dials, heaving cobbles mixed with asphalt patching.
Best wishes

Susan Seymour






On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 12:28, John Chamberlain <john@...> wrote:

Camden and Westminster are consulting jointly on making the changes to the roads in the Covent Garden area permanent. The changes were made in December last year as an experiment following consultations in August-September. The scheme extended and modified Camden's existing scheme for Seven Dials and is designed to reduce motor traffic in the area.

At the time we supported the principle of closing roads to through traffic and encouraged the increase in cycle permeability through allowing two-way cycling on most of the roads but we objected to the failure to close some of the rat-runs which impact roads such as Endell Street and Great Queen Street, both of which are busy pedestrian and cycle routes. You can see our response here.

We will put in another response, supporting the principle but re-iterating our previous concerns. If you are familiar with the area can you suggest any other points we should make and/or are any of our previous concerns unfounded?

Consultation details are at https://coventgarden.commonplace.is/ and the consultation closes on the 16th. Please add your support.

Thanks

--

 

Regards

John Chamberlain

 

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Re: Covent Garden

seymour susan
 

Is it worth mentioning the appalling state of the surface on Monmouth St going from Shaftesbury Ave to Seven Dials, heaving cobbles mixed with asphalt patching.
Best wishes

Susan Seymour






On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 12:28, John Chamberlain <john@...> wrote:

Camden and Westminster are consulting jointly on making the changes to the roads in the Covent Garden area permanent. The changes were made in December last year as an experiment following consultations in August-September. The scheme extended and modified Camden's existing scheme for Seven Dials and is designed to reduce motor traffic in the area.

At the time we supported the principle of closing roads to through traffic and encouraged the increase in cycle permeability through allowing two-way cycling on most of the roads but we objected to the failure to close some of the rat-runs which impact roads such as Endell Street and Great Queen Street, both of which are busy pedestrian and cycle routes. You can see our response here.

We will put in another response, supporting the principle but re-iterating our previous concerns. If you are familiar with the area can you suggest any other points we should make and/or are any of our previous concerns unfounded?

Consultation details are at https://coventgarden.commonplace.is/ and the consultation closes on the 16th. Please add your support.

Thanks

--

 

Regards

John Chamberlain

 

W: camdencyclists.org.uk

E: john@...

 


Covent Garden

John Chamberlain
 

Camden and Westminster are consulting jointly on making the changes to the roads in the Covent Garden area permanent. The changes were made in December last year as an experiment following consultations in August-September. The scheme extended and modified Camden's existing scheme for Seven Dials and is designed to reduce motor traffic in the area.

At the time we supported the principle of closing roads to through traffic and encouraged the increase in cycle permeability through allowing two-way cycling on most of the roads but we objected to the failure to close some of the rat-runs which impact roads such as Endell Street and Great Queen Street, both of which are busy pedestrian and cycle routes. You can see our response here.

We will put in another response, supporting the principle but re-iterating our previous concerns. If you are familiar with the area can you suggest any other points we should make and/or are any of our previous concerns unfounded?

Consultation details are at https://coventgarden.commonplace.is/ and the consultation closes on the 16th. Please add your support.

Thanks

--

 

Regards

John Chamberlain

 

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LTN information

Luke Pearson
 

Hi everyone
Just for your information ℹ️ I saw the first picture on the railings of Alexandra Park School and the second one was tucked in between the railings, so I was just able to take it out and take a photo of it.
From Luke





Sent from Luke Pearson's IPhone


Re: CCC monthly meeting 21 November agenda

seymour susan
 

Sorry I am otherwise committed this evening. I hope you have a good meeting.
Best wishes

Susan Seymour
07733227022





On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 at 13:59, Ema Arvati via groups.io <emanuela.arvati=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Dear all,


Please find below the agenda and log in details for our monthly meeting Monday the 21st November at 19.30.

1) Introductions

2) Minutes of the October meeting to be approved https://camdencyclists.org.uk/2022/10/ccc-meeting-minutes-17-october-2022/

3) Matters arising from the minutes

4) Topics for quarterly meeting with London Living Streets and Camden (5 Dec)

5) Review of Camden Transport Strategy progress report and 3 year forward program

6) Talk from Geoff Richman (American School in London)

7) Carla Francome talk

8) AoB


Log in details:


ID 966-2634-1261, password 656179, link: https://zoom.us/j/96626341261?pwd=MkpKb1gvLzdIeFpNbndGd05zeU1XZz09


Minutes: Ema


The Tory councillors in Hampstead have sent out a request for a "feedback form" on the Haverstock Hill cycle lanes so it would be good to show us our support for them.
There is also a new Commonplace on it from Camden itself



Kind Regards

Ema





Re: CCC monthly meeting 21 November agenda - talk by Carla Francome

Jean Dollimore
 

I have heard so much about Carla Francome as an Active Travel campaigner and as a documentary maker, and see from her Tweets (@carlafrancome) that she is someone with an eye for other things such as street art and has a great sense of fun.

I am sending this email now as Carla is hidden at No 7 in the agenda and I wouldn’t want anyone who might be interested to miss her talk. 

Here’s her profile on Linked in


Hope to see you on Zoom on Monday at 7:30 pm

Jean


On 17 Nov 2022, at 13:59, Ema Arvati via groups.io <emanuela.arvati@...> wrote:

Dear all,

Please find below the agenda and log in details for our monthly meeting Monday the 21st November at 19.30.
1) Introductions
2) Minutes of the October meeting to be approved https://camdencyclists.org.uk/2022/10/ccc-meeting-minutes-17-october-2022/
3) Matters arising from the minutes
4) Topics for quarterly meeting with London Living Streets and Camden (5 Dec)
5)  Review of Camden Transport Strategy progress report and 3 year forward program
6) Talk from Geoff Richman (American School in London)
7) Carla Francome talk
8) AoB

Log in details:


Minutes: Ema

The Tory councillors in Hampstead have sent out a request for a "feedback form" on the Haverstock Hill cycle lanes so it would be good to show us our support for them.
There is also a new Commonplace on it from Camden itself


Kind Regards
Ema





CCC monthly meeting 21 November agenda

Ema Arvati
 

Dear all,


Please find below the agenda and log in details for our monthly meeting Monday the 21st November at 19.30.

1) Introductions

2) Minutes of the October meeting to be approved https://camdencyclists.org.uk/2022/10/ccc-meeting-minutes-17-october-2022/

3) Matters arising from the minutes

4) Topics for quarterly meeting with London Living Streets and Camden (5 Dec)

5) Review of Camden Transport Strategy progress report and 3 year forward program

6) Talk from Geoff Richman (American School in London)

7) Carla Francome talk

8) AoB


Log in details:


ID 966-2634-1261, password 656179, link: https://zoom.us/j/96626341261?pwd=MkpKb1gvLzdIeFpNbndGd05zeU1XZz09


Minutes: Ema


The Tory councillors in Hampstead have sent out a request for a "feedback form" on the Haverstock Hill cycle lanes so it would be good to show us our support for them.
There is also a new Commonplace on it from Camden itself



Kind Regards

Ema





Re: LTN haringey

Angela Hobsbaum
 

Thanks for your support, Luke and all you Camden Cyclists! 
Angela.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 17:53, Luke Pearson via groups.io <simondiane.luke=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Angela I was gathering support and sympathy and support for you guys in Haringey I support these LTN schemes 100%

Sent from Luke Pearson's IPhone   

On 14 Nov 2022, at 5:45 pm, Angela Hobsbaum <angela.hobsbaum@...> wrote:


Yes, I assume you're all supportive; my response was a bit tongue-in-cheek, as we would prefer to ignore the antis, not give them the oxygen of recognition... 
Angela.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 17:33, Jean Dollimore <jean@...> wrote:
Angela,

Of course Camden Cyclists are pro LTN and we’re full of admiration for Haringey’s having installed three large new LTNs.

Best wishes

Jean





On 14 Nov 2022, at 17:26, Angela Hobsbaum <angela.hobsbaum@...> wrote:

Thanks Luke; were you publicising the protests in sympathy with the anti-LTNers or to garner sympathy for us Haringey cyclists?

Angela.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 17:22, Luke Pearson via groups.io <simondiane.luke=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Hi everyone
There are some big protests happening in haringey this evening against the the LTNS.

Sent from Luke Pearson's IPhone   







Re: LTN haringey

Luke Pearson
 

Angela I was gathering support and sympathy and support for you guys in Haringey I support these LTN schemes 100%

Sent from Luke Pearson's IPhone   

On 14 Nov 2022, at 5:45 pm, Angela Hobsbaum <angela.hobsbaum@...> wrote:


Yes, I assume you're all supportive; my response was a bit tongue-in-cheek, as we would prefer to ignore the antis, not give them the oxygen of recognition... 
Angela.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 17:33, Jean Dollimore <jean@...> wrote:
Angela,

Of course Camden Cyclists are pro LTN and we’re full of admiration for Haringey’s having installed three large new LTNs.

Best wishes

Jean





On 14 Nov 2022, at 17:26, Angela Hobsbaum <angela.hobsbaum@...> wrote:

Thanks Luke; were you publicising the protests in sympathy with the anti-LTNers or to garner sympathy for us Haringey cyclists?

Angela.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 17:22, Luke Pearson via groups.io <simondiane.luke=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Hi everyone
There are some big protests happening in haringey this evening against the the LTNS.

Sent from Luke Pearson's IPhone   







Re: LTN haringey

Angela Hobsbaum
 

Yes, I assume you're all supportive; my response was a bit tongue-in-cheek, as we would prefer to ignore the antis, not give them the oxygen of recognition... 
Angela.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 17:33, Jean Dollimore <jean@...> wrote:
Angela,

Of course Camden Cyclists are pro LTN and we’re full of admiration for Haringey’s having installed three large new LTNs.

Best wishes

Jean





On 14 Nov 2022, at 17:26, Angela Hobsbaum <angela.hobsbaum@...> wrote:

Thanks Luke; were you publicising the protests in sympathy with the anti-LTNers or to garner sympathy for us Haringey cyclists?

Angela.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 17:22, Luke Pearson via groups.io <simondiane.luke=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Hi everyone
There are some big protests happening in haringey this evening against the the LTNS.

Sent from Luke Pearson's IPhone   







Re: LTN haringey

Jean Dollimore
 

Angela,

Of course Camden Cyclists are pro LTN and we’re full of admiration for Haringey’s having installed three large new LTNs.

Best wishes

Jean





On 14 Nov 2022, at 17:26, Angela Hobsbaum <angela.hobsbaum@...> wrote:

Thanks Luke; were you publicising the protests in sympathy with the anti-LTNers or to garner sympathy for us Haringey cyclists?

Angela.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 17:22, Luke Pearson via groups.io <simondiane.luke=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Hi everyone
There are some big protests happening in haringey this evening against the the LTNS.

Sent from Luke Pearson's IPhone   







Re: LTN haringey

Angela Hobsbaum
 

Thanks Luke; were you publicising the protests in sympathy with the anti-LTNers or to garner sympathy for us Haringey cyclists?

Angela.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 17:22, Luke Pearson via groups.io <simondiane.luke=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Hi everyone
There are some big protests happening in haringey this evening against the the LTNS.

Sent from Luke Pearson's IPhone   






LTN haringey

Luke Pearson
 

Hi everyone
There are some big protests happening in haringey this evening against the the LTNS.

Sent from Luke Pearson's IPhone


Re: Bloomsbury Way and Vernon Place Gas Works

James Brander
 

Apologies folks: a failure of geography.
As Simon points out, I should have stated Park Hill St, not Upper Park. So, the problem section is between England's Lane and Park Hill Rd. I think it's quite a ratrun at present.
This afternoon I kept to the main carriageway, kept my speed up, and had no bother from a long queue waiting on the uphill side to turn right.
Hmmm.
Best,
James Brander 

On Fri, 4 Nov 2022, 09:12 Simon Pearson, <simondiane.luke26@...> wrote:
Thanks James

But I’m having difficulty understanding it. Do you mean Park Hill Road?  Upper Park Road is up towards Belsize Tube Station.

Left hooks are always a weak point of cycle lanes.

Regards 

Simon 

Sent from Simon’s iPhone

On 4 Nov 2022, at 08:36, James Brander <jbrander47@...> wrote:


A word of warning about using the section of cycle lane down Haverstock Hill, between England's Lane and Upper Park Rd. Vehicles now jump the lights to turn right onto the hill, and turn immediately left into Upper Park, left-hooking anyone using the bike lane. Encouraged by this, vehicles ascending Haverstock then cut across turning right into Upper Park. I had to elicit the help of a skip driver (!) To make my way through this yesterday. It might be better to keep out of the bike lane from England's Lane junction, at least till after Upper Park.
Interesting this should follow the Panorama thing.
James Brander 

On Thu, 3 Nov 2022, 11:49 Berwyn Rutherford, <berwynr@...> wrote:
Shocking Panorama last night. Cyclists verses cars. Berwyn

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From: main@camdencyclists.groups.io <main@camdencyclists.groups.io> on behalf of John Chamberlain <john@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 11:44:13 AM
To: main@camdencyclists.groups.io <main@camdencyclists.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [camdencyclists] Bloomsbury Way and Vernon Place Gas Works
 

That sign is there for cyclists who choose to avoid the short diversion via Southampton Place and Barter Street. There just isn't room to continue on Bloomsbury Way, which is the reason for the diversion. But there may be an issue for cyclists who approach from Bury Place in either direction - another diversion sign may be needed. I'll follow up.


John Chamberlain

 

On 03/11/22 11:33, James Brander wrote:
Hallo,
The gas main looks like a replacement for Nordstream.
I note that Cadent's generosity extends only to Bury Place, where the inevitable 'cyclists dismount and use pavement' appears.
Best,
James Brander 


On Mon, 31 Oct 2022, 17:00 John Chamberlain, <john@...> wrote:

Those of you who have cycled along Vernon Place and Bloomsbury Way (continuation of Theobalds Road) recently will be aware of the major works to replace the gas main. This has resulted in a lane being closed and major diversions. Cadent have been able to keep a westbound cycle-only lane open with a short diversion via a contraflow on Southampton Place and then via Barter Street, to avoid having to go round the Holborn Gyratory with the buses and motor vehicles. Most cyclists are using this, which is good, though some are using the footway (not popular).

Starting tomorrow, works will begin at the junction with Southampton Row and though the road layout will change the cycle signals installed earlier this year will still operate as designed, so the junction should remain safe. But please be careful! Email me with any issues and I'll take it up with Camden.

--

 

John Chamberlain

 

Camden Cycling Campaign

 

W: camdencyclists.org.uk

E: john@...

 


Re: About the safety of cyclists at junctions e.g. on Haverstock Hill

Tony Raven
 

I don’t think most drivers know about the new Highway Code and it almost certainly won’t change the behaviours of the worst offenders.   They don’t even enforce laws that have been in places for ages such as ASLs and 20mph speed limits so guidelines in the HC, forget them.   Until punishments fit the crimes, and with juries typically 12 drivers that’s unlikely, then things will continue as they are.

-- 
Tony

Apologies for any typos; sent from my iPad

On 4 Nov 2022, at 07:58, Jean Dollimore <jean@...> wrote:



The new Highway Code should help drivers to modify their behaviour with respect to people cycling:

Rule H3 - Rule for drivers and motorcyclists

You should not cut across cyclists, horse riders or horse drawn vehicles going ahead when you are turning into or out of a junction or changing direction or lane, just as you would not turn across the path of another motor vehicle. This applies whether they are using a cycle lane, a cycle track, or riding ahead on the road and you should give way to them.

Do not turn at a junction if to do so would cause the cyclist, horse rider or horse drawn vehicle going straight ahead to stop or swerve.

You should stop and wait for a safe gap in the flow of cyclists if necessary. This includes when cyclists are:

  • approaching, passing or moving off from a junction
  • moving past or waiting alongside stationary or slow-moving traffic
  • travelling around a roundabout

That plus the bright blue paint across all of the junctions e.g. mentioned in this post on our website


Jean

On 4 Nov 2022, at 09:12, Simon Pearson <simondiane.luke26@...> wrote:

Thanks James

But I’m having difficulty understanding it. Do you mean Park Hill Road?  Upper Park Road is up towards Belsize Tube Station.

Left hooks are always a weak point of cycle lanes.

Regards 

Simon 

Sent from Simon’s iPhone

On 4 Nov 2022, at 08:36, James Brander <jbrander47@...> wrote:


A word of warning about using the section of cycle lane down Haverstock Hill, between England's Lane and Upper Park Rd. Vehicles now jump the lights to turn right onto the hill, and turn immediately left into Upper Park, left-hooking anyone using the bike lane. Encouraged by this, vehicles ascending Haverstock then cut across turning right into Upper Park. I had to elicit the help of a skip driver (!) To make my way through this yesterday. It might be better to keep out of the bike lane from England's Lane junction, at least till after Upper Park.
Interesting this should follow the Panorama thing.
James Brander 

On Thu, 3 Nov 2022, 11:49 Berwyn Rutherford, <berwynr@...> wrote:
Shocking Panorama last night. Cyclists verses cars. Berwyn

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: main@camdencyclists.groups.io <main@camdencyclists.groups.io> on behalf of John Chamberlain <john@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 11:44:13 AM
To: main@camdencyclists.groups.io <main@camdencyclists.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [camdencyclists] Bloomsbury Way and Vernon Place Gas Works
 

That sign is there for cyclists who choose to avoid the short diversion via Southampton Place and Barter Street. There just isn't room to continue on Bloomsbury Way, which is the reason for the diversion. But there may be an issue for cyclists who approach from Bury Place in either direction - another diversion sign may be needed. I'll follow up.


John Chamberlain

 
On 03/11/22 11:33, James Brander wrote:
Hallo,
The gas main looks like a replacement for Nordstream.
I note that Cadent's generosity extends only to Bury Place, where the inevitable 'cyclists dismount and use pavement' appears.
Best,
James Brander 


On Mon, 31 Oct 2022, 17:00 John Chamberlain, <john@...> wrote:

Those of you who have cycled along Vernon Place and Bloomsbury Way (continuation of Theobalds Road) recently will be aware of the major works to replace the gas main. This has resulted in a lane being closed and major diversions. Cadent have been able to keep a westbound cycle-only lane open with a short diversion via a contraflow on Southampton Place and then via Barter Street, to avoid having to go round the Holborn Gyratory with the buses and motor vehicles. Most cyclists are using this, which is good, though some are using the footway (not popular).

Starting tomorrow, works will begin at the junction with Southampton Row and though the road layout will change the cycle signals installed earlier this year will still operate as designed, so the junction should remain safe. But please be careful! Email me with any issues and I'll take it up with Camden.

--
 

John Chamberlain

 

Camden Cycling Campaign

 

W: camdencyclists.org.uk

E: john@...

 




Re: About the safety of cyclists at junctions e.g. on Haverstock Hill

Jean Dollimore
 

The new Highway Code should help drivers to modify their behaviour with respect to people cycling:

Rule H3 - Rule for drivers and motorcyclists

You should not cut across cyclists, horse riders or horse drawn vehicles going ahead when you are turning into or out of a junction or changing direction or lane, just as you would not turn across the path of another motor vehicle. This applies whether they are using a cycle lane, a cycle track, or riding ahead on the road and you should give way to them.

Do not turn at a junction if to do so would cause the cyclist, horse rider or horse drawn vehicle going straight ahead to stop or swerve.

You should stop and wait for a safe gap in the flow of cyclists if necessary. This includes when cyclists are:

  • approaching, passing or moving off from a junction
  • moving past or waiting alongside stationary or slow-moving traffic
  • travelling around a roundabout

That plus the bright blue paint across all of the junctions e.g. mentioned in this post on our website


Jean

On 4 Nov 2022, at 09:12, Simon Pearson <simondiane.luke26@...> wrote:

Thanks James

But I’m having difficulty understanding it. Do you mean Park Hill Road?  Upper Park Road is up towards Belsize Tube Station.

Left hooks are always a weak point of cycle lanes.

Regards 

Simon 

Sent from Simon’s iPhone

On 4 Nov 2022, at 08:36, James Brander <jbrander47@...> wrote:


A word of warning about using the section of cycle lane down Haverstock Hill, between England's Lane and Upper Park Rd. Vehicles now jump the lights to turn right onto the hill, and turn immediately left into Upper Park, left-hooking anyone using the bike lane. Encouraged by this, vehicles ascending Haverstock then cut across turning right into Upper Park. I had to elicit the help of a skip driver (!) To make my way through this yesterday. It might be better to keep out of the bike lane from England's Lane junction, at least till after Upper Park.
Interesting this should follow the Panorama thing.
James Brander 

On Thu, 3 Nov 2022, 11:49 Berwyn Rutherford, <berwynr@...> wrote:
Shocking Panorama last night. Cyclists verses cars. Berwyn

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: main@camdencyclists.groups.io <main@camdencyclists.groups.io> on behalf of John Chamberlain <john@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 11:44:13 AM
To: main@camdencyclists.groups.io <main@camdencyclists.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [camdencyclists] Bloomsbury Way and Vernon Place Gas Works
 

That sign is there for cyclists who choose to avoid the short diversion via Southampton Place and Barter Street. There just isn't room to continue on Bloomsbury Way, which is the reason for the diversion. But there may be an issue for cyclists who approach from Bury Place in either direction - another diversion sign may be needed. I'll follow up.


John Chamberlain

 
On 03/11/22 11:33, James Brander wrote:
Hallo,
The gas main looks like a replacement for Nordstream.
I note that Cadent's generosity extends only to Bury Place, where the inevitable 'cyclists dismount and use pavement' appears.
Best,
James Brander 


On Mon, 31 Oct 2022, 17:00 John Chamberlain, <john@...> wrote:

Those of you who have cycled along Vernon Place and Bloomsbury Way (continuation of Theobalds Road) recently will be aware of the major works to replace the gas main. This has resulted in a lane being closed and major diversions. Cadent have been able to keep a westbound cycle-only lane open with a short diversion via a contraflow on Southampton Place and then via Barter Street, to avoid having to go round the Holborn Gyratory with the buses and motor vehicles. Most cyclists are using this, which is good, though some are using the footway (not popular).

Starting tomorrow, works will begin at the junction with Southampton Row and though the road layout will change the cycle signals installed earlier this year will still operate as designed, so the junction should remain safe. But please be careful! Email me with any issues and I'll take it up with Camden.

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Re: Bloomsbury Way and Vernon Place Gas Works

Simon Pearson
 

Thanks James

But I’m having difficulty understanding it. Do you mean Park Hill Road?  Upper Park Road is up towards Belsize Tube Station.

Left hooks are always a weak point of cycle lanes.

Regards 

Simon 

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On 4 Nov 2022, at 08:36, James Brander <jbrander47@...> wrote:


A word of warning about using the section of cycle lane down Haverstock Hill, between England's Lane and Upper Park Rd. Vehicles now jump the lights to turn right onto the hill, and turn immediately left into Upper Park, left-hooking anyone using the bike lane. Encouraged by this, vehicles ascending Haverstock then cut across turning right into Upper Park. I had to elicit the help of a skip driver (!) To make my way through this yesterday. It might be better to keep out of the bike lane from England's Lane junction, at least till after Upper Park.
Interesting this should follow the Panorama thing.
James Brander 

On Thu, 3 Nov 2022, 11:49 Berwyn Rutherford, <berwynr@...> wrote:
Shocking Panorama last night. Cyclists verses cars. Berwyn

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That sign is there for cyclists who choose to avoid the short diversion via Southampton Place and Barter Street. There just isn't room to continue on Bloomsbury Way, which is the reason for the diversion. But there may be an issue for cyclists who approach from Bury Place in either direction - another diversion sign may be needed. I'll follow up.


John Chamberlain

 

On 03/11/22 11:33, James Brander wrote:
Hallo,
The gas main looks like a replacement for Nordstream.
I note that Cadent's generosity extends only to Bury Place, where the inevitable 'cyclists dismount and use pavement' appears.
Best,
James Brander 


On Mon, 31 Oct 2022, 17:00 John Chamberlain, <john@...> wrote:

Those of you who have cycled along Vernon Place and Bloomsbury Way (continuation of Theobalds Road) recently will be aware of the major works to replace the gas main. This has resulted in a lane being closed and major diversions. Cadent have been able to keep a westbound cycle-only lane open with a short diversion via a contraflow on Southampton Place and then via Barter Street, to avoid having to go round the Holborn Gyratory with the buses and motor vehicles. Most cyclists are using this, which is good, though some are using the footway (not popular).

Starting tomorrow, works will begin at the junction with Southampton Row and though the road layout will change the cycle signals installed earlier this year will still operate as designed, so the junction should remain safe. But please be careful! Email me with any issues and I'll take it up with Camden.

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John Chamberlain

 

Camden Cycling Campaign

 

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E: john@...

 

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