Re: Consultation on South End Green


Richard Thomas
 

I doubt many will agree, but I don't think the current arrangement is bad. The zebras are great. Almost all the cars come close to stopping and take turns. What's missing is a zebra from outside Silverberry to the fountain rather than having to walk up the hill to the one up by M&S. Are the any accident statistics to suggest the current arrangement is dangerous? If not, perhaps what it needs is something to give cyclists confidence. But it's not easy. Could the zebras be made into parallel crossings, especially to help the South End Green Road to Pond Street turn. Coming out of Pond Street into Constantine takes a bit of confidence/assertiveness.

Perhaps a mini roundabout would help formalise the turn taking and clarify rights of way. But I'd keep the existing turn from Fleet Road to Constantine. There would be more space if some of the island with the toilets could be removed, and also the space round the fountain. These are underused spaces of little amenity value because they are effectively in the middle of a busy road junction. 

I think it would be a mistake to remove the island linking the zebras crossings. But perhaps you'd have to sacrifice it for a mini roundabout or two. 

At least they aren't proposing traffic lights!

Where can we comment?

Richard

On Thu, 22 Sept 2022, 18:06 Mick Farrant via groups.io, <mirog=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Tgis is a dangerous space for all, not just cyclists. Made worse by parked buses on Fleet Road often for long periods. Unclear also of changes in bus routes ? more or less  Not sure of solution but more thought needed/ Msjor area for patients etc to RF

 

Mick Farrant

 

From: main@camdencyclists.groups.io <main@camdencyclists.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Coulouris
Sent: 22 September 2022 17:38
To: main@camdencyclists.groups.io
Subject: Re: [camdencyclists] Consultation on South End Green

 

This junction is important in the future of the Camden cycling network because it connects Pond Street to Constantine Road thus linking the Haverstock Hill route with the Savernake LTN and C6. And in future we hope up Willow Road to the Whitestone Pond.

 

Straight across from Pond Street to Constantine Road is always a challenge due to the number of motors converging on the junction from 3 directions and tussling to get into Pond street or Constantine. In practice priorities for motors are very unclear but at least the existing arrangement )below) has an island in the middle, linked with 2 zebras. 

 

 

The new scheme diverts pedestrians from their desire lines and has turning vehicles stopping in the middle of the junction to turn into Pond St and Constantine Rd. I wouldn’t like to cycle through it with some vehicles waiting to turn and others going straight through:

 

 

I think we should object to that junction design.

 

George



On 22 Sep 2022, at 16:24, Jean Dollimore <jean@...> wrote:

 

(e.g. it would be nice to be able to go down South End Road and left into Constantine Road or turn left from Fleet Road into Pond Street without being cut it by drivers)

 

 

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