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Moy is right, this is the preferred solution, but unfortunately
this requires space that is not available on some of Camden's
roads without severely cutting back the footway. In this case the
options are either a shared bus-boarder/cycle lane (as on the
uphill side of Haverstock Hill), or a cycle lane that stops at the
On 03/09/22 20:59, Moy El-Bushra via
I'm not sure if you're aware of these, but there is already a
solution to the issue of how to get cycle lanes to bypass bus
stops - the cycle lane is diverted behind the bus stop, so
cyclists are neither forced out into the traffic to get past a
bus that's just pulled in, nor scrunched into the kerb by the
bus because there's nowhere to go to the left (see attached
Personally, I find these to be quite a good idea. Of course,
it can happen that a careless pedestrian steps into the cycle
lane, but then that can happen anywhere.
And I think if there were more of these around, pedestrians
would become more aware of the need to look first.
The problem is that they are not very commonly implemented,
but I think they should become the norm.
Or is that you are aware of these, but you're suggesting that
there are better solutions?
On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 at 14:37, John Chamberlain
Richard's suggestion is pretty much what Camden have
done on the downhill bus stops here (and in some other
places where road space is very constrained). See
The difference is that the route around the outside
of the bus cage is not marked other than with a cycle
logo (preferably more than one).
The difficulties I see with marking a lane are:
- The bus has to cross it to get into and out of the
stop. Would buses always give way to cycles? If not,
it might lead cyclists into a false sense of
- Likewise with regard to motor traffic coming from
But I think it might be worth discussing with Camden
officers, particularly as schemes come up to their
12:35, Richard Thomas wrote:
Thanks for sharing these links. I've
supported on commonplace.
Does anyone know why this solution can't be
trialled for bus stops to reduce risk of
- Coloured tarmac cycling lane going round
outside of bus cage, taking cyclists into traffic
passing bus on outside but with clear lane
- Alternate advisory (dashed marking) cycle
lane through bus cage. Buses can stop in lane,
but if no bus cyclist goes straight on unimpeded.
Advantages I perceive:
- Cyclists not confident to move into traffic
to pass a waiting bus would have to wait behind
it, but that's what you need to do now because it
is dangerous to pass bus on inside when passengers
are getting on or off because they naturally step
into cycle lane and in any case have
- Cyclists wanting to pass bus on the outside
would have road markings to show that they are
entitled to do so (which they are already, but
likely to suffer close pass or abuse).
Thanks for any comments
30 Aug 2022 at 10:31, Jean Dollimore <jean@...
The cycle lanes on Haverstock Hill
are almost complete and Camden Council is now
collecting feedback via Commonplace.
If you haven’t yet been there to try them
out, we have some photos here:
Please go here and give your positive
If you have time, please look at the
comments from other people and say you ‘agree’
to comments put there by other supporters.